Talk:The Essential Intelligent Design Bibliography

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  • Very nice idea. I like this a lot.--SierraEcho 09:42, 23 March 2006 (CST)
  • Thank you, SierraEcho! Good to see you back! It's been lonely the last couple of weeks. :( I have a feeling I may need to ask for your help on a specific project soon. I'll email you about it if I do. -- JosephCCampana 10:05, 23 March 2006 (CST)
Okay. Yes, I'm sorry I haven't been as active as in the beginning. . . Sometimes my offline life intrudes on my hobbies :-).--SierraEcho 11:23, 24 March 2006 (CST)
No apologies necessary at all, I understand how things go. :) I'm just glad you're back! -- JosephCCampana 11:30, 24 March 2006 (CST)

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Subheadings

Might be a good idea to split the anti-evolution books such as "Moral Darwinism" off from the pro-ID books, if there's a sufficiently clear division. A further division into books that critique evolution on scientific grounds and those that critique it on cultural grounds might also be helpful. -- Corkscrew 08:43, 30 March 2006 (CST)

Good point, Corkscrew. I made sure all the books listed have material covering intelligent design. Each of them gives a unique research contribution to ID, whether historical or scientific. Moral Darwinism has treatments of ID in the book on about 40 different pages. It has some particularly interesting historical perspectives. The book is clearly pro-ID. Obviously it is a cultural critique of evolution, and a historical view on ID. I think there is a clear enough division between the scientific and the cultural books to make separate sections. Please feel free to make it so. :) -- JosephCCampana 09:04, 30 March 2006 (CST)
I'll have a go at it in a moment. I haven't actually read any of these books, so I'll be going mostly off whatever reviews and blurbs I can find online - please correct any mistakes. -- Corkscrew 10:17, 30 March 2006 (CST)

Suggest Contra Evolution as a subheading. Wells' Icons of Evolution might fit better in that.

David, good point on Wells' book. Although, our site is not a repository for anti-evolution material (check out our About page, link at bottom of this page). ResearchID.org is a repository for critiquing non-telic premises, including non-telic evolution. I'll make a subheading called "Critiques of non-telic premises". -- Joseph C. Campana 22:10, 2 July 2006 (CDT)
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Essential vs Extended Bibliography

What is the policy of what goes under "Essential ID Bibliography" vs an Extended ID Bibliography? DLH

We don't really have a set policy. It's just the essentially useful on the essential page, and everything useful on the extended page. That's the way it's working right now. -- Joseph C. Campana 22:10, 2 July 2006 (CDT)

Recommend adding a page for Extended Intellient Design Bibliography for the rest of the material. (I could not find it) With a major link at the top of the Essential one.

Added links to the extended page. The extended bib badly needs updating. -- Joseph C. Campana 07:52, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

Recommend removing "The" in the title. Problem of Wiki is that Searching will not find this without "The" Recommend adding a redirect page with all combinations and permutations of this title. e.g. Essential ID bibliography Essential ID Bibliography The Essential ID Bibliography The Essential Intelligent Design bibliography etc. --DLH 00:03, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

David, thank you for your suggestions here, you are very thorough! I see your point here on the searching. After doing some demo searches for these terms, it seems they all return the right page. Does this alleviate the concern? Thanks again for your hard work. -- Joseph C. Campana 07:52, 3 July 2006 (CDT)
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The Extended ID Bibliography

Joey, recommend adding The Extended ID Bibliography as a primary category with a direct link to the Extended ID Bibliography, so that it shows up in the summary outline at the top, and that people can do a one click to go directly to it, rather than scroll down and possibly find or easily miss the extended list. Otherwise it is hard to find. DLH 13:11, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

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Creation Science Books

Suggest a section on Creation Science Books. e.g. "In the Beginning was Information" by Werner Gitt. He is a information scientist with a very clear grasp and 32 theorems on information regarding biotic information. While describing himself as a Creation Scintist, most of Gitt's theorems directly apply to ID. Similarly: Genetic Entropy & The Mystery of the Genome, J.C. Sanford --DLH 23:56, 2 July 2006 (CDT)DLH 16:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

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Non-ID Books

Some Non-ID perspective books have very important material relating to information science that provide major support for ID. e.g. Hubert P. Yockey, Information Theory, Evolution, and the Origin of Life. Cambridge, 2005. He concludes "We have rounded up the usual suspects and status of research on the origin of life is still Omne vivum ex vivo. (life comes from life.) Important sections on information. Opposes Intelligent Design & Irreducible Complexity but missunderstands them. Fred Hoyle, Mathematics of Evolution. Models the probability of evoltion as 10^-4000. --DLH 23:56, 2 July 2006 (CDT)

David, great suggestions. Perhaps you could establish a "Non-ID" section on the essential bibliography? Creation science books could go under this non-ID section. Please feel free to make changes. If it gets too much, we may have to migrate some of the data to the extended bib. -- Joseph C. Campana 07:57, 3 July 2006 (CDT)
Suggest Creation Science be kept under their own section, to distinguish from "Non-ID" (generally Anti-ID) books.
OR ID Friendly and Non-ID -- DLH 22:02, 3 July 2006 (CDT)
DLH, ResearchID.org is not a wiki for researching creation science. The "Non-ID" section will be for anything that is not ID and is not hypothetically opposed to ID, while Con-ID will be for explicitly anti-ID materials. -- Joseph "Joey" C. Campana 15:13, 4 July 2006 (CDT)
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ID Lecture mp3s & video recordings

Should we have a list of lecture mp3s and video recordings that are available for free on the web? I found a good list somewhere else a while ago, and I was amazed how many good lectures are available. We could divide them like the books, into pro and con. --SierraEcho 21:51, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Absolutely! That would be great! :D -- JosephCCampana 22:00, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
Is this one worth posting?
http://www.veritas.org/3.0_media/talks/150 [listen] [download] -- JosephCCampana 10:29, 13 April 2006 (CDT)
There's links to more talks at the bottom of that page. -- JosephCCampana 10:29, 13 April 2006 (CDT)
More here at Veritas.org: http://www.veritas.org/3.0_media/topics/16
Yet more here at meta-library: http://www.meta-library.net/bio/index-frame.html
Wow! Those links are great. This is also a good link over at apologia: http://www.theapologiaproject.org/video_library.htm --SierraEcho 10:51, 13 April 2006 (CDT)
Nice, this is good stuff! I set up the essential bib page and extended page, see how I set that up? I don't want to put too many items on the essentials page, otherwise it won't be "just the essentials." Maybe 15 items per list can be our general rule, then a link at the bottom of a list to the extended page list. We can change it if we can think of a better way of doing it. Any suggestions? What do you think? -- JosephCCampana 11:18, 13 April 2006 (CDT)
Sounds good. That way the essentials page will not get cluttered up, but the resources will still be there for more in depth research.--SierraEcho 11:45, 13 April 2006 (CDT)
More delicious audio: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/audio/?podcastItem=id101105m.mp3
http://bevets.com/evolutionav.htm -- worth posting? -- JosephCCampana 23:45, 8 May 2006 (CDT)
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Other interesting titles

Not really directly about ID:

  • The Volitional Brain: Towards a Neuroscience of Free Will, ISBN 0907845118
  • The Way of the Cell: Molecules, Organisms, and the Order of Life, ISBN 0195163389
  • Biased Embryos and Evolution, ISBN 0521541611
  • Origination of Organismal Form: Beyond the Gene in Developmental and Evolutionary Biology, ISBN 0262134195
  • The Fifth Miracle: The Search for the Origin and Meaning of Life, ISBN 068486309X
  • Information Theory, Evolution, and The Origin of Life, ISBN 0521802938
  • Life's Solution: Inevitable Humans in a Lonely Universe, ISBN 0521827043
  • Rare Earth: Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, ISBN 0387952896
  • Evolution in Four Dimensions : Genetic, Epigenetic, Behavioral, and Symbolic Variation in the History of Life, ISBN 0262101076
  • How Blind is the Watchmaker? ISBN 830822968
  • Evolution Under the Microscope: A Scientific Critique of the Theory of Evolution, David Swift, 2002 (Softcover edition), Leighton Academic Press., 423 pp., ISBN: 0954358902

more...

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Searching

TODO: It would help to configure the PubMed search so it automatically retrieves a search on "Intelligent Design". See: http://eutils.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query/static/elink_help.html#URLparameters DLH 16:39, 30 August 2006 (CDT)

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Relocated titles

These are great titles, but they are probably not considered "essential" for understanding ID, so they have been moved to The Extended ID Bibliography.

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